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# Watch WebRTC Live #73: The Future of Broadcasting with WebRTC

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On November 16, 2022, Arin welcomed Dan Jenkins to WebRTC Live to talk about the increasing role of WebRTC in broadcasting. Dan is the founder of [Broadcaster.vc](https://broadcaster.vc/), a “broadcast from anywhere” service which helps companies to bring in video streams via WebRTC connections and inject them into traditional broadcasting tools and workflows via NDI streams. He is also the founder of communications app consultancy [Nimble Ape](https://nimblea.pe/), director of [CommCon](https://twitter.com/commconuk), and a well-known leader in the VOIP and WebRTC advocacy space. 

Dan and Arin started their discussion talking about the many conferences they’d both attended recently. The return to in-person conferences, the rise of hybrid conferences, and the future of virtual events was a theme throughout the episode, including the need for sub second latency when doing a hybrid panel discussion. (Read Arin’s recent blog post, [How to Host the Ideal Hybrid Conference Panel Discussion](https://webrtc.ventures/2022/11/how-to-host-the-ideal-hybrid-conference-panel-discussion/).)

Dan talked about the founding of the two-year old Broadcaster.vc, including what he’s learned about broadcasting in general and how its architecture has evolved over time. He spoke about the move to [Pion](https://pion.ly/) and the history of forcing open source tools like [Janus](https://janus.conf.meetecho.com/), [Asterisk](https://www.asterisk.org/), [FreeSwitch](https://signalwire.com/freeswitch) to do things they weren’t designed to do. He also spoke about projects like [WebRTC.rs](https://webrtc.rs/), a pure Rust implementation of WebRTC stack which rewrites the Pion stack in Rust.

While there are still lots of problems with WebRTC that we work around, Dan said broadcasting is looking even more favorable for WebRTC in the future with WebRTC-HTTP ingestion protocol ([WHIP](https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-wish-whip-01.html)) and WebRTC-HTTP Egress Protocol ([WHEP](https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-murillo-whep-01.html)) on the way. An integration will work across multiple platforms and you won’t need to integrate individual APIs. 

Another theme was the maturity of the WebRTC standard. A sign of this is that many companies are not just looking at WebRTC as a cool tool for standalone prototypes or projects. More traditional industries are now looking at how they can incorporate WebRTC and use it within an ecosystem of other things, like [NDI](https://www.ndi.tv/about-ndi/) (a high performance standard that allows anyone to use real time, ultra low latency video on existing IP video networks) or [OBS](https://obsproject.com/) (open source software for video recording and live streaming) that have been around a long time. It helps that, as Dan said, “WebRTC is enabled on two billion devices. Everyone’s phone is a WebRTC-enabled phone.”

On the egress side, Dan answered a question about how large can you scale a WebRTC broadcast. With players such as [Millicast/Dolby](https://dolby.io/products/real-time-streaming/) and [CloudFlare Stream](https://www.cloudflare.com/products/cloudflare-stream/), Dan feels the sky’s the limit. This kind of sub second latency is perfect for use cases such as online gambling.

There is also an appetite for [WebTransport](https://www.w3.org/TR/webtransport/) and [WebCodecs](https://www.w3.org/TR/webcodecs/) because it gives more control over what the media is doing. But Dan and Arin agreed that it’s unlikely these will have a major impact on the marketplace for another 5-7 years due to issues like browser compatibility which WebRTC has already overcome. 

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NOTE: There were a number of issues with the sync of Arin’s video feed with his audio due to the camera being used, and which was resolved by the end of the live broadcast. Please pardon the inconvenience and we won’t be using that camera again!

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